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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:25 pm 
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Saw these articles today, thought they were timely. Prayers going out for our fellow Baptists in TX tonight...


The State of Concealed and Open Carry in Churches

By Dean Weingarten

"There are two states that ban concealed carry in churches, Nebraska and Louisiana.

Nebraska allows a church to authorize an armed security team if the team members have carry permits and if written notice is given to church members.

Louisiana law is similar but requires an extra eight hours of training every year. Seven states and D.C. that require the permission of a church leader to conceal carry firearms in church, and 41 states where carry in churches is treated the same as any other private property.

Of the 41 states that treat churches the same as other private property, eight are “may issue” states, where the permit-issuing authority can deny the exercise of the Second Amendment for almost any reason. Those states are California, Delaware, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, and Rhode Island. Within these states, the issuance of permits ranges from almost none in Hawaii and New Jersey, to fairly large numbers, as in upstate New York and Massachusetts.

There are 13 states that do not require a permit to carry concealed. They are Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Vermont, Wyoming, and West Virginia.

In the early colonies, people were sometimes required to be armed at church.

In “Origins and Development of the Second Amendment“, I found a reference to colonial requirements to carry guns in church from the Virginia laws of arms-bearing.

"All men that are fitting to bear arms, shall bring their pieces to the church"…

The law dated to 1631.

David Hardy found it in the 1823 work by William Henning,

“The Statutes at large, being a collection of all the laws of Virginia, Vol. 1 at 127, 173-174.” Those were perilous times in Virginia. Church attendees are not attacked with the frequency that they were in the 1630's in Virginia. The United States today has a population tens of thousands of times greater than all the colonies in 1631. It seems like we are being attacked at a greater frequency because each attack is trumpeted over the entire nation, and our communication system is so good that everyone hears of every attack almost immediately.

Church attendees tend to be responsible people. It makes sense for those with knowledge of firearms to carry at church. With the recent attacks on church attendees, the legal carry of firearms to church is bound to rise."

©2017 by Dean Weingarten:
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About Dean Weingarten:
Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of constitutional carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and recently retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

https://www.ammoland.com/2017/11/the-st ... z4xfWjcjXO

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:29 pm 
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It’s Past Time for An Armed and Trained Congregant at Every U.S. House of Worship

“If this shooting had taken place at a house of worship in Israel, the gunman wouldn’t have survived more than two minutes because there is usually someone present with their weapon,” stated Klein, who has lived in Tel Aviv as an American reporter for the past 12 years.

“I have been urging every single member of every church and synagogue across America immediately to have somebody in there who is armed,” stated Klein...

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017 ... e-worship/

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:20 pm 
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Interview with hero who confronted killer...




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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:33 pm 
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Bro. Parrish wrote:
It’s Past Time for An Armed and Trained Congregant at Every U.S. House of Worship

“If this shooting had taken place at a house of worship in Israel, the gunman wouldn’t have survived more than two minutes because there is usually someone present with their weapon,” stated Klein, who has lived in Tel Aviv as an American reporter for the past 12 years.

“I have been urging every single member of every church and synagogue across America immediately to have somebody in there who is armed,” stated Klein...

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017 ... e-worship/

I agree there should be some that have training to be present.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:24 pm 
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We allow CC in our Church. We have for a while now.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:02 pm 
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Bro. Chuck, a wise decision, imho.
Unfortunately some do not understand this...


"But for some religious leaders, bringing a gun to a worship service smacks of sacrilege."

“How do you justify that you’re following a person who prayed to God to forgive people who were killing him, and at same time take up arms?” said the Rev. Dwayne Black of The Sanctuary Church in Fort Lauderdale."


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florid ... story.html

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:21 pm 
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“How do you justify that you’re following a person who prayed to God to forgive people who were killing him, and at same time take up arms?” said the Rev. Dwayne Black of The Sanctuary Church in Fort Lauderdale."
This "Rev." really doesn't understand the difference between the Lord laying down His life for our sakes; and modern christans allowing wives, children and fellow men to be murdered?

So if someone was shooting up his congregation and family, he wouldn't use any means available to stop it; gun, furniture, baseball bat, fists, etc., but just stand there saying, "Father forgive them..."?

Even if I went to a church that banned carrying, I don't think I'd be stupid enough to advertise it in the paper.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:18 pm 
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milquetoast

[milk-tohst]

noun, (sometimes initial capital letter)

1. A very timid, unassertive, spineless person, especially one who is easily dominated or intimidated

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1. A very timid, unassertive, spineless person, especially one who is easily dominated or intimidated

The opposite of which:
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[1Cor 16:13] Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong. [1Cor 16:14] Let all your things be done with charity.

There's nothing charitable or loving about allowing men, women, and children to be murdered without using all means to stop it.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:17 pm 
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Bro. Parrish wrote:
Bro. Chuck, a wise decision, imho.
Unfortunately some do not understand this...


"But for some religious leaders, bringing a gun to a worship service smacks of sacrilege."

“How do you justify that you’re following a person who prayed to God to forgive people who were killing him, and at same time take up arms?” said the Rev. Dwayne Black of The Sanctuary Church in Fort Lauderdale."


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florid ... story.html



How does he justify people of God allowing a demon filled maniac to shoot an 18month old baby and 75 year old woman?

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