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 Post subject: KJB - Inspired or Preserved?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:52 pm 
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Is the King James Bible Inspired or Preserved?
By David J. Stewart

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." —1st Peter 1:23

The precious King James Bible is BOTH inspired and preserved. There are some teachers today who say that the King James Bible is not preserved. There are others who say that the King James Bible is not inspired. And some teachers deny both preservation and inspiration. Without a doubt this is a delicate and sensitive issue in churches today, because the Bible is the greatest number one threat to Satan. Yet, if we're wrong on the Bible as born-again Christians, then we're wrong on everything else. There is a raging battle today over the King James Bible.

You don’t have to read very far in contemporary, fundamentalist, Baptist literature to come across scoffers who attack the “King James only” position and degrade those of us who would dare call the King James Bible “inspired.” Well, bless God, it's inspired Word for Word!

* Dr. Jerry Falwell announced that he had hired Dr. Harold Rawlings to “refute the ‘King James Only’ cultic movement that is damaging so many good churches today.”

* Dr. Robert Sumner warns about the “veritable fountain of misinformation and deceptive double talk on the subject of ‘King James Onlyism.’”

* Dr. J. B. Williams refers to those who advocate the King James Only as “misinformers” and as “a cancerous sore.”

* Dr. Robert Joyner calls King James Bible loyalists, “heretics.”

* Dr. James R. White warns about King James Bible proponents “undercutting the very foundations of the faith itself.”

* And now in 2009 an influential pastor of one of America's largest Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches is calling us “careless Bible students” and “ignorant” for saying that the King James Bible is inspired. How tragic!

I just don't get it. Why would any Christian leader shake his congregation's faith in the Word of God? If the Bible that we hold in our hands is not inspired, then let's just throw it into the garbage and go buy the latest New York Times Bestseller to read instead. Thank God for Dr. Jack Hyles who upheld the King James Bible as inerrant and perfect...

“I must have every Word if I speak His message. If I didn't think I had a perfect Bible I'd close this one, walk out that door, I'd never walk in the pulpit again.” — Dr. Jack Hyles

The King James Bible translators were a collection of some of the world's best scholars. They approached this translation with the mindset that they were translating the very Words of God, not just some book. The King James Bible has been called "the monument of English prose" as well as "the only great work of art ever created by a committee." Howbeit, the question is raised, is the King James Bible inspired? I say, yes, absolutely, and it is self evident.

We must begin with the Scriptures themselves, for Jesus commanded in John 5:39... SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES!

2nd Timothy 3:16 proclaims, "ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." Some teachers lift out the words “is given,” claiming that only the original autographs given by God were inspired. I have a serious problem with that, because God promised to PRESERVE His Word in Psalm 12:6,7, "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified SEVEN TIMES. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." For someone to say that God preserves His Word without inspiration is akin to saying that God preserves our salvation without the Holy Spirit. It just doesn't set right. The very notion that a translation does not contain the inspired Words of God is disturbing indeed. And if a translation DOES contain the inspired Words of God, then it is divinely inspired.

Here is an excellent quote from Dr. Shelton Smith...

“God has preserved His inspired Word for us. It is preserved in the Hebrew Masoretic text and in the Greek Textus Receptus. It is also preserved for us in the English in the King James Bible. What He at first inspired, the Lord God has now preserved. Therefore, when I hold the King James Bible in my hand, I hold the inspired text. It was inspired and now that inspired Word has been protected, preserved and provided for us!”

SOURCE: What Is That Book You Hold In Your Hand?, by Dr. Shelton Smith, editor, Sword of the Lord

Yes, I agree! How could God's preserved Word not be inspired? If God has kept His promise to PRESERVE His Word (and He has!), then those Words must also maintain their inspiration. To say that only the originals (also know as the “autographs”) were inspired is to say that we do not have God's inspired Word for today, which means that we cannot claim 2nd Timothy 3:16. If the man of God is to be “perfect,” then he absolutely MUST have the “inspired” Words of God to profit him.

It is expected for unsaved heathens to claim that mortal men authored the Bible. Yet, how sad it is when Gospel preachers agree with them by saying that flawed men wrote flawed translations which are flawed. How can any believer who loves the Lord feel confident if they are taught that the Bible they love, cherish and obey is imperfect? They cannot. It is a woeful injustice to rob a church congregation of their faith in God's Word by diminishing the inerrancy and inspiration of the King James Bible. God has preserved His Word for the English-speaking people in the King James Bible, and it does not contain errors. Volumes of books have been written addressing alleged discrepancies and so-called mistranslations in the King James Bible. Ultimately, critics of the King James Bible find themselves barking up an empty tree.

Dr. Jack Hyles (1926-2001) believed that the King James Bible is inspired. The following quote is taken from his book, The Need for an Every-Word Bible, page 54...

“I'm tired of colleges and universities advertising that they use the King James Bible. Tell the whole story! Tell everyone that you do not believe that it is inspired word for word.” —Dr. Jack Hyles

A friend of mine who used to teach martial arts taught his students, “Practice does not make you perfect, perfect practice makes you perfect.” When he told me that I immediately thought about the King James Bible, because an imperfect Bible can only produce imperfect children. Corruption can only bring forth corruption. Jesus said an evil tree can only bring forth evil fruit. The reason why the King James Bible has been so successful over the centuries in getting people saved is because it is God's inspired, infallible, inerrant and preserved Word.

The King James Translators

The King James translators humbly stated that their work may contain “imperfections and blemishes.” Remember, this is THEIR opinion of THEIR best efforts to better the Word of God in English. We must not forget that GOD PROMISED TO PRESERVE HIS WORD and was overseeing the work . . .

“No cause therefore why the word translated should be denied to be the word, or forbidden to be current, notwithstanding that some imperfections and blemishes may be noted in the setting forth of it. For whatever was perfect under the Sun, where Apostles or Apostolic men, that is, men endued with an extraordinary measure of God's spirit, and privileged with the privilege of infallibility, had not their hand?”
In Exodus 4:10 we find Moses lacking confidence in his own communication skills, and yet God used Moses to author the first five books of the Old Testament, "And Moses said unto the LORD, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue." Clearly, Moses did not feel qualified to relay God's Word to the people. The humility of the King James translators does not in any way mean that God wasn't in complete control of the work they did. They prayerfully and diligently labored to give us the King James Bible.

Dr. Samuel Gipp states in favor of the King James Bible being inspired . . .

QUESTION: Did the translators of the Authorized Version claim to be inspired by God?

ANSWER: No. But Biblically that does not mean that they could not have been inspired.

Does this mean that, because they did not claim God's hand in translating the Scripture that He could not be or was not in control of their commission? For the answer we must look to the Bible, our final authority in all matters of faith and practice.

When John the Baptist was accosted by the Levites in John chapter one and asked if he was Elijah (John 1:21) he answered that he was not Elijah. Yet in Matthew chapters 11:7-14 and 17:10-13 Jesus Christ plainly stated that John was Elijah.

Did John the Baptist lie? No. Did Jesus Christ lie? Of course not. The answer is very simply that John was Elijah but he didn't know it! Thus we see from our Bible example that a man can have God working through him and not know it. Likewise, God could easily have divinely directed the King James translators without their active knowledge.

SOURCE: THE ANSWER BOOK, chapter 14, by Dr. Samuel C. Gipp, Th.D.

I say, most definitely, yes, God was in control of the King James Bible committee and the Words of the King James Bible are inspired. This is not “double inspiration.” That is, God did not give His Words afresh to the King James translators. It simply means that God's Words are inspired and always will be inspired, no matter what language they are translated into.

In 1st Corinthians 7:6 the Apostle Paul said, "But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment." Paul felt that he was merely giving his personal opinion in this portion of Scripture, rather than writing what God had commanded him to; yet we know from 2nd Timothy 3:16 that,


"ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God."

Paul's writings in the Bible are all inspired by God, because Paul was only the pen which God used to give us His Words. God is the Author of the entire Bible. God used imperfect men to write His perfect Word, by putting His Words into their mouth. So it matters not that Moses was not eloquent in speech, nor that Paul gave his personal opinion in 1st Corinthians chapter 7, nor that the King James translators acknowledged that they were only imperfect men—What's important is that God's Words will forever be inspired, incorruptible, settled in Heaven and preserved.
“One Book Stands Alone encourages believers to stand by the one and only inspired book of God, the King James Bible.” —Dr. Douglas Stauffer

Some scholars today claim that God has only preserved His Word in the original languages; but the Bible does not teach that. It is self-evident that God has chosen America as the citadel of Christianity over the past 100 years to the world, having sent out millions of foreign missionaries with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Heresy went East, but truth went West. I believe God has preserved His inspired Word in the English-speaking language in the King James Bible. I do not believe that the King James Bible is merely a superb translation or the best manuscript available in English. I believe it is God's inspired, inerrant, infallible, impeccable and preserved Word. 1st Peter 1:23 plainly states that sinners are "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." This means we need an incorrupt Bible! It is sad that preachers don't start doubting the Word of God until they go to seminary. Maybe we should call them preacher cemeteries.

The King James Bible was the finished product of SEVEN revisions. Interestingly, "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified SEVEN TIMES. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." Notice that God said His Word is “pure,” as pure as silver refined seven times. (the number seven in the Bible represents God's perfection.) We have God's perfect Word in the English language in the King James Bible. Amen! It is the manuscript God wanted us to have to fellowship with Him and do the work of soulwinning.

The King James translators said they weren't trying to make a new translation of the Bible; but rather, a good one better...

“Truly (good Christian Reader) we never thought from the beginning, that we should need to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, (for then the imputation of Sixtus had been true in some sort, that our people had been fed with gall of Dragons instead of wine, with whey instead of milk, but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principal good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath been our endeavor, that our mark.”

If one truly believes that a sovereign God is able to work in the hearts of men to do His will, and if one believes that God has kept His promise to preserve His Word, and if one considers that the mightiest soul-winning men of God over the past four centuries have preached from the King James Bible, it is self-evident that God has given to us the King James Bible. Is God incapable of preserving His Word without mistakes? Of course! If, as some claim, the Bible is only preserved in the original languages today, then we do not have an English Bible in America? Which means we are hopelessly destitute.

If the King James Bible is less than perfect, then why even preach from it? Why preach from an imperfect Word? If the King James Bible is imperfect, then what are you doing using it? If the King James Bible is imperfect, then so is everything you teach from it. I mean, if the King James Bible has hundreds of problems with it as many preachers are claiming today, let's throw our Bible into the garbage. A pastor who places a question mark on the King James Bible is no better than Satan who weakened Eve's faith when he asked her, "Yea, hath God said?" (Genesis 3:1c).

Matthew 4:4, "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." If we are to live by “every Word,” then we need an every Word Bible. I believe the King James Bible to be that every Word Bible, preserved and inspired by God.

Some preacher says that the Bible is only for the scholarly and studious. No, the Bible is for anyone who wants to pick it up and use it, read it and hear it.

In Preservation, We Have the Originals

The Bible doesn't say that the man of God needs the “preserved” Words of God to profit him; but rather, the “Scripture given by inspiration of God.” People talk about the “originals,” but according to Psalm 12:6,7 we have the originals. Psalm 12:6,7, "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." God didn't promise in Psalm 12:6,7 to renew or republish His Words. No, rather, God promised to PRESERVE His Words, "as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times." What we hold in our hands today in the form of the King James Bible is the PRESERVED inspired originals, which means the King James Bible has to be inspired. God's Word has been preserved. If the King James Bible is not inspired, then God did not preserve His Word, because His Word is inspired. Preservation MUST include inspiration if it is genuine preservation.

The word “preserve” in Psalm 12:7 means “to maintain.” Hence, God has maintained His inspired Word unto all generations, as He so promised, which means that those Words must remain inspired.

Psalm 119:89 proclaims, "For ever, O LORD, Thy word is settled in heaven." Notice that the originals are in Heaven. Before God ever spoke the universe into existence, the final Word of Revelation was already recorded in Heaven. Some Biblical scholars claim that the original manuscripts are only existent in the Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic languages; but it is not a language that God promised to inspire, it is HIS WORDS. It is the “Words” of the Lord that are pure. God Words are inspired, no matter what language they are translated into. The text of our beloved King James Bible are the inspired Words of God.

Please Don't Drop My Food On the Floor

For any preacher to speak bad about the King James Bible, while simultaneously speaking about how wonderful it is, is akin to dropping someone's food on the floor and then serving it to them on a plate. The same way most people would feel eating a steak that has just been dropped onto a dirty floor is the same way many church members feel when their pastor teaches them from a Bible which he claims is imperfect. Either we have God's preserved, inspired, inerrant, infallible Word in the English-speaking language, or we do not. The Bible is our spiritual milk, bread and meat. I don't know about you, but most people prefer not to have their food tampered with before they eat it. So keep your stinking feet out of my drinking water and my food.

No pastor should ever shake his congregation's faith in the King James Bible, even in the slightest way. The average uneducated layman in the pew needs to hear his pastor uphold the King James Bible as God's Word. To fail to do so is a grave injustice against the common man. The average believer will NEVER understand Greek or Hebrew and it is a woeful injustice to place that kind of a burden upon humble church people, i.e., telling them that they cannot understand the Bible without learning Greek and Hebrew. Childlike faith only requires a childlike understanding of the Bible. Do not tell me that a child cannot understand the Bible to get saved. Do not tell me that those with learning disabilities must understand the Greek to be saved. Do not tell me that a humble sinner, who only has a third grade education, cannot receive and experience sweet fellowship with Jesus Christ without learning Hebrew. Bless God, if the King James Bible was good enough for mama, it's good enough for us too! If the King James Bible was good enough for Dwight L. Moody and Billy Sunday, bless God, it's good enough for us too!

“They're taking the pure Word of God and changing it for a buck and changed it for a dollar. So-called Christian colleges, take your stinking feet out of the Word of God! Quit serving dirty water! So-called Christian seminaries with your intelligencia, which is nothing more than stupidity hiding behind the guise of scholarship, you keep your stinking feet out of my drinking water! Dr. Custer of Bob Jones University, who says that there is no perfect Bible in the English language, you keep your stinking feet out of my drinking water! Greek scholars, so-called, self-styled Greek scholars, who are only called 'Greek scholars' by other Greek scholars, you keep your stinking feet out of my drinking water! ... I am so sick of these guys that go to an institution. I've got more respect for a State university professor who says there's no Word of God, than I have for a man who'll hide behind the sacred desk and change God's blessed Book.” — Dr. Jack Hyles
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/in ... served.htm

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 Post subject: Re: KJB - Inspired or Preserved?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:56 pm 
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THis has turned into a huge debate amongst the KJVO crowd - is the KJV inspired or preserved?
Dr. Gipp has written a small booklet about it, if you need help understanding the semantics here.



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This debate started (I think) when Dr. Jack Schaap (successor and son-in-law to Jack Hyles) started waffling on the kJV issue. He started in with this idea that the KJV is NOT inspired, but only preserved. Now he is moving further and further away from the position Hyles took in his later years that the KJV was the perfect, infallible, inspired word of God. Hyles came to this position in the 1990's, and not before. It was under the influence of Jack Patterson - a PBI graduate, and Dr. Bill Grady, who again was influenced by Jack Patterson to come to the KJV position. Jack Patterson was the promoter for Hyles Anderson for many years, and he had Hyles' ear. Once Grady got on board, that was the last straw for Hyles - he crossed over also! (Nobody ever gives Dr. Ruckman the credit he deserves!)

Dr. Schaap has completely gone off the deep end now, and is stepping further and further away from the KJV position - just go to youtube, type in Jack Schaap, and listen to what he has to say on it!

However, he is still playing "footsie" with the all the "big shots!" I just received the promotional flyer for their annual "Pastor's School" (which is now a registered trademark!!! $$$$$$$), and he is having Clarence Sexton, who was embarrased by Dr. Grady's sermon on the KJV at his school!, Dr. Jack Triebar, and I don't remember the other one right now. I think now that Hyles is gone, they will all start caving to the faculty of their schools, just like Bob Jones University did. They are all professional politicians.

Too bad!

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 Post subject: Re: KJB - Inspired or Preserved?
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bro parrish + pastor steve
both your post are so informative i have just been listening to a talk by jack hyles
entitled "get your stinking feet out of my water". i thank god he has given us his inspired and preserved word in the kjv.
chris
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:17 pm 
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Very good Chris, thanks for your encouragement from England!

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Why do people find the KJB and its devotees so threatening today, when at one time the majority of believers saw it as nothing less than the very words of the living God?
How often has the dying soldier, the sick patient or the person in peril sought for or been able to recite a relevant passage from the KJB such as Ps 23? And now they find it unnecessary, imposing or even threatening to declare such recognisable verses as the Very Words of the Living God!
Just to think that a few centuries ago the received text was literally turning the world upside down and now, only a few centuries later it is considered as a hindrance to 21st century "Christian unity".
Somehow I just can’t imagine a dying patient in 20 years time asking their pastor to come and read them that ever so familiar passage from the Message Bible…………(Ps 46)
 

Psalm 46

A Song of the Sons of Korah


1-3 God is a safe place to hide, ready to help when we need him.
We stand fearless at the cliff-edge of doom,
courageous in seastorm and earthquake,
Before the rush and roar of oceans,
the tremors that shift mountains.
Jacob-wrestling God fights for us,
God-of-Angel-Armies protects us.
4-6 River fountains splash joy, cooling God's city,
this sacred haunt of the Most High.
God lives here, the streets are safe,
God at your service from crack of dawn.
Godless nations rant and rave, kings and kingdoms threaten,
but Earth does anything he says.
7 Jacob-wrestling God fights for us,
God-of-Angel-Armies protects us.
8-10 Attention, all! See the marvels of God!
He plants flowers and trees all over the earth,
Bans war from pole to pole,
breaks all the weapons across his knee.
"Step out of the traffic! Take a long,
loving look at me, your High God,
above politics, above everything."
11 Jacob-wrestling God fights for us,
God-of-Angel-Armies protects us.
 

Psalm 1 (The Message)

Psalm 1



1How well God must like you— you don't hang out at Sin Saloon, you don't slink along Dead-End Road,
you don't go to Smart-Mouth College.
2-3 Instead you thrill to God's Word,
you chew on Scripture day and night.
You're a tree replanted in Eden,
bearing fresh fruit every month,
Never dropping a leaf,
always in blossom.
4-5 You're not at all like the wicked,
who are mere windblown dust—
Without defense in court,
unfit company for innocent people.
6 God charts the road you take.
The road they take is Skid Row
---------------------------------


Somehow it just doesn’t have the same ring to the hungry soul does it?

I just don’t see why those who have stuck with the time honoured version that is so easy to recite in unison, in prayer and in times of giving comfort are suddenly seen as the bad guys, especially when you read things like the above quote. If anyone should be getting upset with anyone it should be with those who are tampering with the word and making a mockery out of it, not with those who seek to preserve it!
God bless

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PaulB wrote:
Why do people find the KJB and its devotees so threatening today, when at one time the majority of believers saw it as nothing less than the very words of the living God?



Hello Bro PaulB, that's a great question!
I think it's partly because we espouse the idea that the inerrant truth of God's Word is available to all believers who will simply read it and believe it; with no need for a middle man, or another language, or a scholar, or studying multiple translations, etc.

These Bible correctors are part of a long line of men who have erected various systems of "private interpretation" over the years, in spite of what the Scripture warns about it. They are threatened by the King James Bible because it kicks down all barriers of language, magisteriums, priests, scholarship and anything else that men try to put up in order to usurp it's final authority.

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Well said Bro Parish!
I think you’re right, and I also think that there is much more to this than the average church attender realises. For one, the Bible is no longer looked at as "the Bible" but at best a translation, which is often subjugated by the "experts" to be nothing higher than a preferential taste that a person may have for a car (i.e. "my version says…").

This to me exactly as you say, a re-establishing of the of middle man/the magisterium/the scholar in a way that shifts the focus of authority from the word to the "qualified".
In a way it is like watching the foundations of a global cult being laid, where people (under the guise of enlightenment) are told what to believe by people who either have other agendas or are unknowingly serving those that do! At one time people would use to use the word to "test all things" but now (under the delusion of their gurus) are using "all things" to test the word!



During the reformation people knew what the word of God was but now they boldly assert that no one has ever had it! How could the Word of God possibly be a light unto our feet, the sword of the Spirit or anything to base a life on and grow thereby if it never existed? Surely the convictions of the preservationists have to be worth their weight in gold to the neutrally minded!


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PaulB wrote:
...the Bible is no longer looked at as "the Bible" but at best a translation, which is often subjugated by the "experts" to be nothing higher than a preferential taste that a person may have for a car (i.e. "my version says…").


Yeah, that thing about the car is funny, and nowhere is that more clear than the goofy sales promotion of the so-called "Original Bible," in fact the top of the testimonial page proclaims this is the "Mercedes Benz of Bibles." More on that here:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=331

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Wow! That’s quite something!
It troubles me how all of these new discoveries, new doctrines and new translations are opening the eyes of both the church and the world 2,000 years after the church (that was supposed to have upheld them) apparently lost them. Scary isn’t it, that Mt.28:19 which was intended to reach every tribe, tongue and nation throughout all of history will only (in reality) touch the first and last generation of believers (as all of them in-between missed it!).



"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."


Only the 1st & 21st century believers had the privilege of being privy to these hidden truths!
Wow! Aren’t we fortunate to have such wonderfully gifted scholars who have single handily rescued the church from 1900 years of ignorance and blindness. Just to think of all of those poor souls who died at the stake believing that they were delivering holy writ to the common folk were all misled and died in vain!
Church upon church upon church generation after generation who faithfully taught the word of God (quoting the very words of Christ to His beloved bride will all be judged as frauds!) and now (at last!) a handful of scholars have finally turned the church back to its foundation!



Unbelievable isn’t it!


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Steve Schwenke wrote:
This debate started (I think) when Dr. Jack Schaap (successor and son-in-law to Jack Hyles) started waffling on the kJV issue. He started in with this idea that the KJV is NOT inspired, but only preserved. Now he is moving further and further away from the position Hyles took in his later years that the KJV was the perfect, infallible, inspired word of God. Hyles came to this position in the 1990's, and not before. It was under the influence of Jack Patterson - a PBI graduate, and Dr. Bill Grady, who again was influenced by Jack Patterson to come to the KJV position. Jack Patterson was the promoter for Hyles Anderson for many years, and he had Hyles' ear. Once Grady got on board, that was the last straw for Hyles - he crossed over also! (Nobody ever gives Dr. Ruckman the credit he deserves!)

Dr. Schaap has completely gone off the deep end now, and is stepping further and further away from the KJV position - just go to youtube, type in Jack Schaap, and listen to what he has to say on it!



I did not know this, very good information.
This forum has some great threads, I am trying to read them all!

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