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 Post subject: What to do when?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:10 pm 

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I apologize if this is not in the correct forum but I wasn't sure where else to post my question. I attend a Calvary Chapel and they teach when you don't understand a scripture to read that scripture in multiple translations to help make it clear. The Calvary Chapel I attend the pastor preaches from the NKJV but I know for a fact he personally studies from then ESV and his wife studies from the NLT...his wife told me this. Some church members use the NKJV at church, some the KJV, NIV, NASB...so multiple translations are used even during the service. Anyway, back to my actual question...when I come to a scripture that I flat out don't understand because of wording or just a difficult concept what should I do? I assume if you are KJVO then using other translations to help understand a scripture would be frowned on. I know scripture should interpret scripture but what about wording...since in the KJV there are words used that don't mean the same today.

Thanks for any help. I've been praying for The Lord to help me in reading and understanding the KJV and to remove the mental block I've created in my mind that the KJV is just to hard to understand. I've also read the stickies in this forum and various links that others posted and I have to say I am quickly becoming convinced that the KJV is God's perfect and preserved Word. I mean it only makes sense and it helps that their is actual evidence to support it.


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 Post subject: Re: What to do when?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:52 pm 
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A concordance can help,such as a Crudens or Strongs.
https://shop.avpublications.com/index.p ... kmmk1fkov2

Chick publications offers a KJ companion by David W. Daniels.
http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/1007.asp

The 1828 websters online dictionary:
http://1828.mshaffer.com/

Also on the King James Bible page:
http://av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-dictionary/k ... index.html

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 Post subject: Re: What to do when?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:11 pm 
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ElainaMor wrote:
I attend a Calvary Chapel and they teach when you don't understand a scripture to read that scripture in multiple translations to help make it clear.


Using multiple conflicting bible versions is a good way of compounding error and cause confusion.

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.


No unity in the church
Psalm 133:1 Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!


The church cannot be likeminded,of one accord or of one mind with multiple conflicting authorities.
Philippians 2:2
Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

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 Post subject: Re: What to do when?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:23 pm 
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ElainaMor wrote:
Anyway, back to my actual question...when I come to a scripture that I flat out don't understand because of wording or just a difficult concept what should I do?

ElainaMor,

As I was telling you yesterday; a lot of us have no problem using commentaries or study notes, as long as they do not seek to correct or change the word of God. There are several complete English Bible commentaries available free online.

Bro. Will Kinney (Brandplucked) is one of our regular contributors and he has an excellent resource online here for difficult passages:
http://brandplucked.webs.com/articles.htm

Remember; if you come across something you don't understand, don't get bogged down; pray about it, make a note and just keep reading. In time you will find that most difficult things in the Bible are explained in other passages. You can always post questions here too; we have some experienced pastors and teachers here who can usually help.

ElainaMor wrote:
I assume if you are KJVO then using other translations to help understand a scripture would be frowned on. I know scripture should interpret scripture but what about wording...since in the KJV there are words used that don't mean the same today.

I think you are making the assumption that modern translations will always help you better understand the Bible. Many years ago as a young Christian I believed the same way, but I eventually discovered this is simply not true; in fact, in many cases they lead to error and confusion.

I have seen children memorize huge portions of the KJV; to this day I believe it is the best for memorization; for children and adults. Some have reported that the Flesch-Kincad Grade Level Indicator actually shows the KJV is easier to understand then the NIV, NASB and NKJV in nearly every category. For example, I don't think any of us would find "slime of the purslane" in the RSV's rendering of Job 6:6 to be easier to understand than "the white of an egg" in the KJV, do you? The NIV changes it to "sap of the mallow." Does that sound better? Next time you're on a playground, ask a group of kids what the "slime of the purslane" means and see what they say. I'll stick with "the white of an egg."

But when you really start comparing line for line and word for word, you will better understand; the real problem we have with modern translations is not that they attempt to modernize a few words here and there, in reality they go far beyond that. The NIV translators removed 64,576 words as preserved in the King James Bible, including the word "begotten" from John 3:16. The NKJV makes over 100,000 word changes, including 2,289 words which have been removed from the New Testament alone. Not updated, removed!

The KJV is like no other book on earth. After over 30 years of study in the Holy Bible I can assure you the preserved words of the KJV are connected and intertwined like a cord, or links in a chain. As you begin to remove the words or change them, you inevitably weaken and destroy the links and cross-references. As Biblebeliever has said, this can lead to doctrinal confusion. In many cases the changes in these new versions attack the deity of Christ, the blood atonement and other pillars of our faith.

There is a big marketing effort behind these new versions; publishers produce more of them every year. But in an ocean of various translations, I hope you can see there must be a trusted final authority.

ElainaMor wrote:
Thanks for any help. I've been praying for The Lord to help me in reading and understanding the KJV and to remove the mental block I've created in my mind that the KJV is just to hard to understand. I've also read the stickies in this forum and various links that others posted and I have to say I am quickly becoming convinced that the KJV is God's perfect and preserved Word. I mean it only makes sense and it helps that their is actual evidence to support it.

You're on the right track; your study of the word of God and your fellowship with other KJV believers will lead to understanding.

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 Post subject: Re: What to do when?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:33 pm 

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I supplement my bible study with a Nelson King James Commentary, its conservative and fundamental in doctrine and theology, it also complements the Nelson Study Bible very well.


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 Post subject: Re: What to do when?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:16 pm 

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Marc wrote:
I supplement my bible study with a Nelson King James Commentary, its conservative and fundamental in doctrine and theology, it also complements the Nelson Study Bible very well.



Is this it?
http://www.amazon.com/King-James-Version-Commentary-ebook/dp/B003X272LC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1354940082&sr=8-4&keywords=Nelson+king+James+commentary


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 Post subject: Re: What to do when?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:23 pm 

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Thank you everyone for your help, I really do appreciate it. There's nowhere else I could ask these sort of questions without getting railed against or being made to feel ridiculous.


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 Post subject: Re: What to do when?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:56 am 

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ElainaMor wrote:
Marc wrote:
I supplement my bible study with a Nelson King James Commentary, its conservative and fundamental in doctrine and theology, it also complements the Nelson Study Bible very well.



Is this it?
[url=http://www.amazon.com/King-James-Version-Commentary-ebook/dp/B003X272LC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1354940082&sr=8-4&keywords=Nelson+king+James+commentary
http://www.amazon.com/King-James-Version-Commentary-ebook/dp/B003X272LC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1354940082&sr=8-4&keywords=Nelson+king+James+commentary[/quote[/url]]





Yes, if you want the Kindle Edition, here is the link for the book http://www.amazon.com/King-James-Version-Bible-Commentary/dp/1418503401


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 Post subject: Re: What to do when?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:48 pm 

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Marc wrote:
ElainaMor wrote:
Marc wrote:
I supplement my bible study with a Nelson King James Commentary, its conservative and fundamental in doctrine and theology, it also complements the Nelson Study Bible very well.



Is this it?
[url=http://www.amazon.com/King-James-Version-Commentary-ebook/dp/B003X272LC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1354940082&sr=8-4&keywords=Nelson+king+James+commentary
http://www.amazon.com/King-James-Version-Commentary-ebook/dp/B003X272LC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1354940082&sr=8-4&keywords=Nelson+king+James+commentary[/quote[/url]]





Yes, if you want the Kindle Edition, here is the link for the book http://www.amazon.com/King-James-Version-Bible-Commentary/dp/1418503401



Thanks! I did order it for my Kindle. Any other goof reference materials a newbie should have?


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 Post subject: Re: What to do when?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:00 am 

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I use the Nelson King James Study Bible alongside the Nelson King James Commentary, they complement each other well, and I also use the NASB Topical Reference Bible to enhance my bible reading and studies.


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