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 Post subject: Re: The Black Stone of Islam; Expiation or Idolatry?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:06 pm 
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I think it's apparent from Scripture that God is very concerned about His people venerating relics and other objects. The temptation of replacing God with idolatry is too dangerous, and anyone who has ever been to India knows that Satan is still using this deception like he has been for thousands of years.

You may recall in Numbers 21, God sent deadly fiery serpents into the camp of Israel which were capable of killing people. Most people know that God provided a solution for this plague, when He told Moses to make a serpent of brass and lift it up on a pole. Whoever looked upon the brass serpent would live.

But what many people do not realize, is that eventually the children of Israel fell into terrible idolatry and began venerating this thing, apparently even worshiping that same old brass serpent! The distraction over this object got so bad, King Hezekiah had to smash it into pieces. It had basically become another golden calf in Israel's history.

"He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan." - 2 Kings 18:4

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 Post subject: Re: The Black Stone of Islam; Expiation or Idolatry?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:58 pm 
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That's a VERY good point about the brass serpent!

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 Post subject: Re: The Black Stone of Islam; Expiation or Idolatry?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:04 pm 
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MORE CREEPY BLACK STONES!!! :? :? :?

"In his book "Rocks from Space", Richard O. Norton mentions the sacred stone in the temple of Apollon at Delphi, Greece, a rock that was said having been thrown to Earth by the Supreme Being, Kronos, marking the "omphalos", the navel of the world. And the Roman historian Titus Livius recalls the story of the meteorite of Pessinunt, Phrygia, a conical object also known as "The Needle of Cybele", the Phrygian Godess of fertility. After the Romans had conquered Phrygia the meteorite was conveyed in a gigantic procession to Rome, where it was worshiped for at least another 500 years.

Unfortunately, none of these ancient bethyls have been preserved up to this day, making it hard to prove that they were actually meteorites - with one remarkable exception, the Black Stone of Paphos, Cyprus, a rock that has been venerated as the aniconical representation of Godess Aphrodite since at least 1,300 BC. This stone, depicted on many classical coins, such as Traian, Vespasian, Drusus, and Caracalla, was recovered during excavations at the temple site more than one-hundred years ago.

The huge stone that was locked away in the cellar of the National museum of Nikosia for more than a century, is now on exhibition at the small local museum of Kouklia, Cyprus, the historic Palaeo-Paphos, and the original site of the famous Sanctuary of Godess Aphrodite."
http://www.meteoris.de/basics/cult2.html

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 Post subject: Re: The Black Stone of Islam; Expiation or Idolatry?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:23 pm 
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Very interesting; I did not know about the stone being worshipped in Rome for over 500 years.

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 Post subject: Re: The Black Stone of Islam; Expiation or Idolatry?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:45 pm 
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Based on my experiences as a former Muslim, I've studied Muslim tradition, and according to Tradition, the main reason the Kabaa is venerated as a holy site is that it is said to have been built by Abraham and Ishmael. Another tradition says that it was built by Adam, then Ishmael found it in ruins so when he was reunited with Abraham (about 20 or so years after he and Hagar were cast out), he and Abraham rebuilt it. The Black stone is said to be tyhe only remaining stone from the original kabaa. It is supposed to have fallen from heaven and was found in the desert by either Adam or Ishmael (depending on which tradition you believe) - that's another thing about Islamic tradition (hadith), that some hadiths contradict other hadiths.

When Ishmael and Hagar were cast out, in the Bible it says Gods showed them a spring where Hagar saved Ishmael from dying of thirst. Tradition says that that happened on the site where Mecca is now (Mecca was supposed to have been founded by Ishmael). That spring is identified with the well called Zamzam located near the kabaa.

The significance of the rock inside the Dome of the Rock is that Muslims believe it was the site where Abraham's near-sacrifice of his son happened (the Muslims say it was Ishmael and not Isaac).

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 Post subject: Re: The Black Stone of Islam; Expiation or Idolatry?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:04 pm 
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The Muslims and their creepy black rock are back in the news! :?

Amazing photos -- they are totally obsessed by this thing and they look like the walking dead zombies! -->

http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... ilgrimage/

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